Daisuke's latest news?

miyu wrote:

His recovery was more rapid than what I expected. Wow, he can run with all speed already!!

When I watched it, I screamed in fron of TV "No, wait! Daisuke! It's too early to run at full speed, isn't it?"
Wow, the speed of his recovery seems tremendous, almost unbelievable to me.

miyu wrote:

BTW Yshion, I haven't bought "Passion 2009" yet. Is it interesting? Worth to buy??

Well...it's a very difficult question, miyu
If you feel comfortable for paying only for Daisuke's part, sure, it's worth buying!
I also enjoyed Takahiko's talk with Yukari-chan, it was really funny! Evan's interview was interesting, too.

But, no particularly new interviews, informations, photos of Johnny, Brian, Stephane, Jeffrey, Tomas...I expected more interviews, especially from Brian.

Yshion wrote:

So, I think (hope) all the messages from his fans all over the world reached him and he knows many people from other countries support him

miyu wrote:

Please don't worry, hsuhs and swandie.

Ok, OK I realize that TV stations have people who write texts for them. I bet those text writers didn't think for a second that their work was going to be translated into English and different people from around the world would watch the translated video.
I only had a very short panic attack over that It's over by now.

miyu wrote:

Nebelhorn?? Finlandia?? Merano?? It will depend on his condition at that time, though.

This of course might put additional pressure on Daisuke, as he hasn't even started on-ice training yet. But lucky tickets holders!

miyu wrote:

In addtion, there was a small news about Dai-chan on 19th.

Referring to Dai-chan, Mr. Hidehito Ito, JSF Figure Skating Manager, said that JSF would like to send him to a small international competition early next season in order that he could get back the feeling of competition.

Nebelhorn?? Finlandia?? Merano?? It will depend on his condition at that time, though.

If he ends up going to a competition not to far away from me I'll be there, without a doubt. I am not about to lose any chances I get to see him.

Speaking of competitions. He'll end up with just one GP assignment, just like Oda did this year, right? The I really hope he does go to a competition here in Europe. Assuming his GP assignment will be NHK Trophy I can't go. And I probably can't afford WC in Torino either, if he gets to go there. Then again, it's way to early to start these kind of discussions. Thanks for the vid and the trans.

Actually, alekzu, Daisuke might still be able to get 2 GPs. Being #1 in the world at the end of last season helps him out a lot here. Right now, he's #3 and with only worlds left, it's highly unlikely that he'll drop out of the top 24. He probably won't even drop out of the top 15. Being in the top 24 guarantees him one event. Nobunari was 28th at the end of last season so the only way he could get a GP was through host invite. Daisuke will probably get a host invite to NHK which would give him 2 assignments total. Of course, a lot will depend on his condition.

Yshion wrote:

Well...it's a very difficult question, miyu
If you feel comfortable for paying only for Daisuke's part, sure, it's worth buying!

Thank you, Yshion!! Now I'm waiting for a takkyubin from Amazon.

alekzu wrote:

If he ends up going to a competition not to far away from me I'll be there, without a doubt. I am not about to lose any chances I get to see him.

It will be really nice that we have someone from DTFF at his first competition next season!!!

swandie wrote:

Daisuke might still be able to get 2 GPs.

Yeah, you are right.

Well, I've read an article in Dec that JSF was working for a change in the rule, something like skaters who have won top 6(? not sure) placements at Worlds in their career before can get 2 GP assignments and JSF already got positive answers from some countries.
Anyway I can't find the article now so it might have been kind of an unreliable news. And I have no idea if it's good or not...

Good news! thanks.

swandie wrote:

Actually, alekzu, Daisuke might still be able to get 2 GPs. Being #1 in the world at the end of last season helps him out a lot here. Right now, he's #3 and with only worlds left, it's highly unlikely that he'll drop out of the top 24. He probably won't even drop out of the top 15. Being in the top 24 guarantees him one event. Nobunari was 28th at the end of last season so the only way he could get a GP was through host invite. Daisuke will probably get a host invite to NHK which would give him 2 assignments total. Of course, a lot will depend on his condition.

Is that so. Interesting. And good for him. So if I'm really really lucky he might get to go to TEB, which isn't to unlikely for me to be able to go see. Nice. Next season is going to be fun.

The real question is whether the ISU takes into account the World Standings BEFORE or AFTER they "enter" the 2009/2010 season. Because after they do so, Dai will likely get out of the top 24 (he will have only one season counting for 70%, against skaters with one full season and one season counting for 70%).
If I recall correctly, last summer they used the "new" Standings when they assigned the GP events, which is why Oda couldn't get a 2nd GP.

miyu wrote:

Well, I've read an article in Dec that JSF was working for a change in the rule, something like skaters who have won top 6(? not sure) placements at Worlds in their career before can get 2 GP assignments and JSF already got positive answers from some countries.
Anyway I can't find the article now so it might have been kind of an unreliable news. And I have no idea if it's good or not..

I heard about that too, but I think it was "only" for previous World Medalists?
In any case, I think it would be good and the ISU has all reasons to support it. If skaters like Sasha Cohen or Plushenko want to come back, they could get 2 events instead of just one. And if someone who's not from a GP country comes back (like Stéphane Lambiel), they could get 2 events instead of NONE.
Between, I'm NOT saying that any of these 3 skaters will come back, it's just examples based on some "rumors" going around. I will only believe in any comeback when I see it...

I guess we just have to wait and see, and in the meantime hope that Daisuke's recovery will continue to go well!

MissC wrote:

The real question is whether the ISU takes into account the World Standings BEFORE or AFTER they "enter" the 2009/2010 season. Because after they do so, Dai will likely get out of the top 24 (he will have only one season counting for 70%, against skaters with one full season and one season counting for 70%).
If I recall correctly, last summer they used the "new" Standings when they assigned the GP events, which is why Oda couldn't get a 2nd GP.

Oh yea! I think you're right. Nobu was still in the top 24 before they purged 2005-2006. Dai will probably end up just outside the top 24 when they do the 2006-2007 purge so he would only get NHK. I totally didn't think about that.

Just out of curiosity, I calculated ISU points, 07-08*70% +08-09*100%, based on the current ISU standings. Dai-chan is placed at 19th.
The skaters written in in bold letters are ones who are goint to Worlds and currently ranked below Dai-chan. So if these skaters show good performances there, they have possibility to surpass him in the rankings.


Rank Name
1 Tomas VERNER 3146
2 Patrick CHAN 2774
3 Evan LYSACEK 2586
4 Brian JOUBERT 2568
5 Kevin VAN DER PERREN 2562
6 Takahiko KOZUKA 2519
7 Jeremy ABBOTT 2475
8 Johnny WEIR 2377
9 Yannick PONSERO 2371
10 Adam RIPPON 2264
11 Michal BREZINA 2123
12 Alban PREAUBERT 2062
13 Brandon MROZ 1795
14 Sergei VORONOV 1713
15 Nobunari ODA 1512
16 Stephen CARRIERE 1456
17 Denis TEN 1439
18 Florent AMODIO 1416
19 Daisuke TAKAHASHI 1397
20 Samuel CONTESTI 1364
21 Stephane LAMBIEL 1363
22 Kevin REYNOLDS 1321
23 Ivan BARIEV 1309
24 Armin MAHBANOOZADEH 1305
25 Adrian SCHULTHEISS 1302
26 Artem BORODULIN 1297
27 Yasuharu NANRI 1272
28 Jeffrey BUTTLE 1271
29 Kristoffer BERNTSSON 1271
30 Vaughn CHIPEUR 1254
31 Chao YANG 1167
32 Jeremy TEN 1125
33 Jialiang WU 980
34 Curran OI 962
35 Shawn SAWYER 927
36 Ryan BRADLEY 922
37 Kensuke NAKANIWA 882
38 Andrei LUTAI 877
39 Takahito MURA 871
40 Jinlin GUAN 856
41 Sergei DAVYDOV 634
42 Gregor URBAS 624

And here is WC points.
1 1200
2 1080
3 972
4 875
5 787
6 709
7 638
8 574
9 517
10 465
11 418
12 377
13 339
14 305
15 275
16 247
17 222
18 200
19 180
20 162
21 146
22 131
23 118
24 106

ISU counts only higher points between Euro/4CC and WC for skater's rankings.
So these bold letter guys (except Mura who didn't go to 4CC) will have to get more points at coming WC than they did at Euro/4CC in order to surpass Dai-chan. (Right??? )
These are their points without Euro/4CC.

CONTESTI 608
SCHULTHEISS 1162
BERNTSSON 869
CHIPEUR 758
Jeremy TEN 679
WU 655
LUTAI 431
MURA 871
URBAS 522

For example, Contesti needs 790 in order to go over Dai-chan. It means he has to finish in the top 4 at Worlds.

CONTESTI 608 -> 790 -> top 4
SCHULTHEISS 1162 -> 235 -> top 16
BERNTSSON 869 -> 528 -> top 8
CHIPEUR 758 -> 639 -> top 6
Jeremy TEN 679 -> 719 -> top 5
WU 655 -> 743 -> top 5
LUTAI 431 -> 967 -> top 3
MURA 871 -> 526 -> top 8
URBAS 522 -> 875 -> top 4

Is my theory and calculation correct??? I'm sorry if there are mistakes...


Please understand, I don't mean I hope someone fails....
I really hope everyone can bring out their ability and show a satifying performance at Worlds.

Wow miyu. You've put some effort in to that. My conclusion based oo those numbers are: Dai might still have a chance ta top 24 after Worlds. I don't think it probable that even half of those guys get the needed points.

Thanks, miyu. That had to have taken tons of time. Based on your numbers, 6 guys would have to get ahead of Daisuke to knock him out of the top 24 and for nearly all of them, the necessary points are all but an impossibility even with good performances. Of course, there could be surprises but based on the depth of the field, I don't see Daisuke falling out of the top 24 based on those calculations.

miyu wrote:

Please understand, I don't mean I hope someone fails....

I don't think any of us want that.

No no, actually Excel did all the calculations for me. So it didn't take me much time.

As alekzu and swandie said, Dai-chan would likely remain in the top 24 according to my calculation. In fact I didn't expected it.
Is my way of calculation correct? I'm still a bit suspicious about it.

He fall so much!
I think he will still be in the firsts 24 skaters after worlds.

I calculated ISU World Standings for a change my pace. Dai-chan places 20th.
Will coming World Team Trophy affect Wolrd Standings?

Here you are!

(08-09*100%+07-08*70%)

1 Tomas VERNER 3525
2 Evan LYSACEK 3030
3 Patrick CHAN 3014
4 Kevin VAN DER PERREN 2787
5 Brian JOUBERT 2700
6 Takahiko KOZUKA 2548
7 Jeremy ABBOTT 2475
8 Johnny WEIR 2377
9 Yannick PONSERO 2371
10 Adam RIPPON 2264
11 Michal BREZINA 2123
12 Alban PREAUBERT 2062
13 Brandon MROZ 1910
14 Sergei VORONOV 1713
15 Nobunari ODA 1538
16 Denis TEN 1492
17 Stephen CARRIERE 1456
18 Samuel CONTESTI 1420
19 Florent AMODIO 1416
20 Daisuke TAKAHASHI 1397
21 Stephane LAMBIEL 1363
22 Adrian SCHULTHEISS 1362
23 Kevin REYNOLDS 1321
24 Ivan BARIEV 1309
25 Armin MAHBANOOZADEH 1305
26 Artem BORODULIN 1297
27 Yasuharu NANRI 1272
28 Jeffrey BUTTLE 1271
29 Kristoffer BERNTSSON 1271
30 Vaughn CHIPEUR 1254
31 Chao YANG 1167
32 Takahito MURA 1146
33 Jeremy TEN 1125
34 Javier FERNANDEZ 1043
35 Elladj BALDE 1040
36 Artem GRIGORIEV 1027
37 Jialiang WU 980
38 Curran OI 962
39 Shawn SAWYER 927
40 Peter LIEBERS 922
41 Ryan BRADLEY 922
42 Andrei LUTAI 896
43 Jamal OTHMAN 895
44 Kensuke NAKANIWA 882
45 Artur GACHINSKI 870
46 Jinlin GUAN 856
47 Paolo BACCHINI 841
48 Richard DORNBUSH 840
49 Nan SONG 835
50 Mark VAILLANT 831
51 Alexander MAJOROV 794

Thank you miyu!
Good news for Daisuke. Of course we have to wait to know something more about his condition... but if everything goes well, there will be two GP event for him. Great!
I don't know if the World Team Trophy gives some points for the world standings... but I don't think so... it will be strange, because only few skaters can partecipate...

The World Team Trophy points don't count. Dai should be safe for 2 GP events if he's up for it. I know he won't be at SA (it's the week after NHK) but if he ends up at SC, I will definitely be going!

I'm beginning to wonder if this lost season will compel Dai to stay another year after Vancouver. Worlds is in Japan in 2011 so there might be that incentive as well. I'm sort of dreading next year because of the large amount of retirements that will likely come down after Vancouver.